I really outdid myself today :)

[KingPlant]

I cannot grasp this AB/DL thing at all. It skirts on the edge of morality in my book. I know it's all consenting adults and all that but diapers??

I see diapers on babies and toddlers and to me I just can't cope with seeing a woman in a diaper. Also, diapers in my mind are for the wearer and not the watcher. The watcher can't SEE anything and that's the thing that turns me on, seeing the pee run down the legs.

The thing about watersports though, is it's wide range of aspects to it. AB/DL for me though just narrows the bounderies in the non understanding general public, as does pissing in shops...and on other peoples property.

I don't frequent the other boards associated with WetSet because of those reasons. Don't bring those stories on here please.

[Lloyd_R1]

AB/DL v Wetting v Peeing

I have to wade into this debate (deep as this pool of pee is.. )

I see all of these topics (AB/DL v Wetting v Peeing) as separate things, perhaps even the AB/DL should be considered two separate kinks. They are different in that one is about adults play-acting babies, where the other is simply people loving diapers and what you can do in them - yes the one often (not always) involves the other but they aren't related necessarily in any other way.

Wetting is just that. It implies that clothes get wet. I know that some people call peeing "wetting", and talk about it that way, but the general community knows wetting to be wetting pants ie. by peeing in them. It is not related in any way to my mind, with AB or DL, although some people may draw a connection from the fact of peeing in some sort of clothing. The big difference is that the clothing peed in when you are wetting is just normal everyday pants, undies, panties, shorts, jeans, swimsuits, etc. And yes, the pee goes through, and that's the whole point. I was once advised by one witless organiser of a fetish event to wear a diaper or rubber suit because I mentioned that my kink was wetting. He just had no idea that both his suggestions negate the wetting, making the whole thing pointless. In the end, I just wore super tight black jeans and peed through them out of sight where I wouldn't make a mess, but he would have had me be an AB/DL or rubber fetishist for the night!! He just didn't see the difference or the point.

While it is, by definition, related, peeing is not identical to wetting, for the very same reason- there are no clothes getting wet. I actually get turned off by normal peeing. See a girl peeing normally and I just think what a waste of a good pants-wetting! And AB/DL is just completely in the wrong ball park. By the way, did anyone notice that this board is for "Watersports, Panty Pissers & Public Accidents"? Why are we talking about AB/DL here when there is a board for that? Surely if people wanted to talk about that, they should go there? Just asking.

Anyway, that's my rant done. I'll wade out of the pee pool now.

[Omo Rashi]

By the way, did anyone notice that this board is for "Watersports, Panty Pissers & Public Accidents"? Why are we talking about AB/DL here when there is a board for that? Surely if people wanted to talk about that, they should go there? Just asking.

Exactly. I made a less direct attempt to express this thought in another thread. I.m.h.o. this is not the place to indulge in lengthy off topic discussions. Why discuss pork recipes on a board for beef recipes? (Even if there is no question there are people who like both, and these would be most welcome on both boards.)

[daddyjake]

Hi tiffany, just here to say keep up the good work

havn't come around to read your new story, but I'm sure
it will be very good indeed, your insightful stile shows
you are really into it and you get that across fabulosly,

got the impression part of the kick for you is, doing something
frowned upon, forbidden even, outright naughty

isn't the thrill of possibly being caught, part of the excitment?

wouldn't be very exciting if the only reaction in that case would
be a pat on the head and a "good for you little lady".

my comments were angled that way

if I got that wrong, you see me corrected

but thats just me

[daddyjake]

as an aside,

think one of the prior posters might have idicated
he puts AB/DLs and their mommys and daddys in
to the same corner with pedophiles

not cool dude

but thats just me

[Peevert]

I cannot grasp this AB/DL thing at all. It skirts on the edge of morality in my book. I know it's all consenting adults and all that but diapers??

I see diapers on babies and toddlers and to me I just can't cope with seeing a woman in a diaper. Also, diapers in my mind are for the wearer and not the watcher. The watcher can't SEE anything and that's the thing that turns me on, seeing the pee run down the legs.

Edge of morality? Unusual and unique, yes. But not even close to the edge of anything. Pee runs down the legs of babies and toddlers, too. So diapers are bad but pee flowing down legs is not bad? I don't mean to be offensive, but I think that's a bit hypocritical.

As for "the wearer and not the watcher", I had my first experience with an AB in September, so I really want to address this. Changing an AB/LG's diaper is more of an emotional, sweet, caring, affectionate experience than a "let's rip our clothes off and screw" experience. But that certainly doesn't make it any less beautiful (it may well make it more beautiful).

pissing in shops...and on other peoples property.

I've posted plenty of those videos because I find them erotic, but i have never actually pissed in anyone's shop. I went out of my way to bring a waterproof mattress pad with me, when me and my AB friend met at a motel. Please, don't confuse erotic video with reality.

Don't bring those stories on here please.

That's a bit out of line. Guys here are always talking about wanting more posts from women, and then when we get one, you're nitpicking... "does it belong on board A or board B". There's a lot of crossover interest in these fetishes, please accept that instead of trying to chase people away.

[pissant]

Tiffany, are you tiffypoo from the old site?

[KingPlant]

Edge of morality? Unusual and unique, yes. But not even close to the edge of anything. Pee runs down the legs of babies and toddlers, too. So diapers are bad but pee flowing down legs is not bad? I don't mean to be offensive, but I think that's a bit hypocritical.

I am sure you purposely miss-read what people say or do you just not grasp the concept of maturity and sexual awareness at all. Babies and toddlers are unaware of their bodily functions so wetting is inevitable at a young age. If a child reaches the age of five before it stops wetting then doctors advice is usually sought to resolve the problem. If you showed a policeman a picture of a toddler with piss running down it's legs I bet you get asked "what are you doing with that." If it's so OK then why bother with any paedophile laws at all. Your grasp on morality and reality baffles me.

As for "the wearer and not the watcher", I had my first experience with an AB in September, so I really want to address this. Changing an AB/LG's diaper is more of an emotional, sweet, caring, affectionate experience than a "let's rip our clothes off and screw" experience. But that certainly doesn't make it any less beautiful (it may well make it more beautiful).

You are crazy - I was not talking about the changing of the nappy when I commented. I am referring to the actual wetting which is wasted for the watcher, except if you want to play 'daddy' like you obviously do, and that is the bit I just don't follow at all. You cannot expect me to believe that if the girl pisses in her knickers you would want to shag the life out of her yet if she did the same thing in a nappy you want to hug her, stuff a dummy in her mouth and sing lullabies to her - bollocks.

I've posted plenty of those videos because I find them erotic, but i have never actually pissed in anyone's shop. I went out of my way to bring a waterproof mattress pad with me, when me and my AB friend met at a motel. Please, don't confuse erotic video with reality.

I own a B&B in a very busy seaside town and I have had a couple of wet beds in the morning after guests have booked out and even as a water-sports lover it's not nice finding puddles of piss left by some inconsiderate guest. The room cannot be used again until we have been in and changed the mattress and cleaned the carpet underneath the bed. It's a horrible job and I respect you for taking bed protection with you, but why not do it in your own home - you are single so why couldn't you take her home - let me guess - too far to travel.

That's a bit out of line. Guys here are always talking about wanting more posts from women, and then when we get one, you're nitpicking... "does it belong on board A or board B". There's a lot of crossover interest in these fetishes, please accept that instead of trying to chase people away.

I have to say this - For years we have had this same battle on here about women being scared away. If they are that easily scared away in the years 2011 it's time they started manning up - they keep saying they are equal - lets treat them like equals and be able to say what we think without the fear of them running away screaming sexual harassment. My experience of women on here is they want to screw as much out of you as they can and fuck you off afterwards. I bet you paid for your liaison with the AB girl.

Paul didn't make separate boards for nothing - use them correctly.

[quietpr11]

Whoooooaaa nelly...emotions are running quite a bit higher than I think this debate merits.

Here's where I come down on the three issues that seem to be getting debated:

1) I personally don't understand the thrill of AB/DL fetishism, but about 97% of the world won't understand my wetting/female peeing interests either. The moral question is an interesting one. I have often remarked to my girlfriend that I'm exceedingly glad she doesn't shave down there because a naked vagina looks immature to me - I think the entire idea of regressing to get to sexual pleasure is problematic for most people. However, if you understand the psychological motivations, the moral dilemma goes away. Here's why:

What are many of us looking for when we get into a relationship? Someone who'll love us for who we are and take care of us when we are in need. The AB folks are basically reducing this to its' most extreme - they want someone who'll take care of them, including their bodily functions (among other things). The sexual thrill for the AB is in finding someone who wants to nurture them. Not in having sex AS a child. Those of you who are reading AB/DL as dangerously close to pedophilia are probably being a little too literal.

Unfortunately, there are people in every fetish and sexual interest who are in it for the wrong reasons. There are people who do S&M because they want to hurt someone or to be tortured themselves because they feel wrong somehow...and that is morally dubious and psychologically frightening. But the core desire in a healthy S&M relationship (and they do exist) is the relinquishing of control IN ORDER TO HAVE CONTROL. Which is not morally dubious at all...there is even something almost admirable about such a desire. There are probably people who want to be the daddy in an AB relationship because they like the idea of legally having sex with a child...and that is frightening and morally wrong. But that's not at the core of AB fetishism. Hopefully that all made sense.

2) On the issue of whether there should be room for some cross-posting between the AB/DL stuff and the watersports stuff...I come down on the side of not understanding the frustration. If you don't like those stories or even the knowledge that they exist in the other forum, then don't read posts that contain it. That of course requires that everyone label their stories correctly. And I do advise that you try to find the forum appropriate to your interest for your own good (to stave off annoyed comments. )...but why get so angry about it? Just because you don't like something doesn't mean you should be extraordinarily offended by its mere existence.

3) On the issue of video linking of people peeing on someone else's property...I am afraid I don't see the moral distinction between posting a video of someone doing something and doing that something yourself. You could say "I am against murder, but this snuff video isn't done by me, so it's OK that I love watching it" and we'd all see through that false distinction. Posting videos that you find erotic that involve a subject matter that you also say you find impolite to do or wrong enough somehow that you try not to do it yourself is a tad hypocritical...aren't you encouraging the bad behavior by saying you find it a turn on and posting a video of it?

Me personally? I think peeing on other peoples' property is selfish and unfair to the owner and the other users if it's done intentionally. Accidental peeing of that type is another matter (the whole turn on in that case is the loss of control and I can understand the interest in that...though one would hope the accidental peer would somehow compensate the property owner or try to clean it up. I never pee in hotel beds...just because I don't think it's nice for the custodial staff. And I don't really want to see such material either. But...alas I doubt I'll convince everyone, so all I'd ask is that your video postings be labeled so people can skip the stuff they don't want to see.

There's no call for angry personal attacks and bitterness though...can't we all just get along (and get wet?)

[rcr293]

I cannot grasp this AB/DL thing at all. It skirts on the edge of morality in my book. I know it's all consenting adults and all that but diapers??

I see diapers on babies and toddlers and to me I just can't cope with seeing a woman in a diaper. Also, diapers in my mind are for the wearer and not the watcher. The watcher can't SEE anything and that's the thing that turns me on, seeing the pee run down the legs.

The thing about watersports though, is it's wide range of aspects to it. AB/DL for me though just narrows the bounderies in the non understanding general public, as does pissing in shops...and on other peoples property.

I don't frequent the other boards associated with WetSet because of those reasons. Don't bring those stories on here please.

Just to throw insight, take it with a grain of salt.
Have you ever peeked up a skirt to see what kind of panties are on? Find a diaper? the reaction is heighten for those who are turned on by diapers. I am able to separate setting a child in diapers just the same way as I would never find a pair of childrens underware.
Garments made for adults, worn by adults, whether a thong our a diaper are sexy as long as they can be wet.

[Peevert]

I'm not going to bother addressing most of this because it had the tone of personal attack and not intelligent discussion. There were two (somewhat) legitimate questions:

you are single so why couldn't you take her home - let me guess - too far to travel.

Interesting that you're so fascinated with me that you know I'm single. Yes, travel played a role. But mainly, I have roommates. Neither of us had any interest in her running around the house in a diaper with roommates around. It was much more convenient to have the privacy of a bedroom and bathroom and refrigerator for her baby food all in one place. Plus, when she wet the bed, after it cooled off, it was nice having another bed ready to jump into, instead of getting up to change the sheets.

I bet you paid for your liaison with the AB girl.

If I was willing to pay for a liaison with an AB girl, my first one would have been when I was 18, not when I was 45. Nice try.

[Peevert]

Whoooooaaa nelly...emotions are running quite a bit higher than I think this debate merits...

Well said. I just wanted to touch on the issue of erotic video. Yes, I can completely separate erotic video from erotic real life. I love watching two women with no guy in an erotic video. That's not something that excites me in real life. Having tried it once, there was no intimacy, which is too important a factor to sacrifice.

Some guys may say "maybe you just weren't with the right women". Since I only did it the one time, that's possible. I don't know. But I do know that something that still excites me on video, did not excite me in real life. So yes, I can and do separate the two.

Having said that, this thread is taking a lot of my time, so I'm probably just going to sit back and watch the kiddies argue (and we know they will).

[KingPlant]

I'm not going to bother addressing most of this because it had the tone of personal attack and not intelligent discussion. There were two (somewhat) legitimate questions:

I think there were more but you are unable to answer them. Let me reiterate for you. I asked "do you just not grasp the concept of maturity and sexual awareness at all" and you say that was a personal attack. I am trying to grasp what you get from dressing a girl in a nappy.? Although I did get an answer from quietpr11..

Interesting that you're so fascinated with me that you know I'm single. Yes, travel played a role. But mainly, I have roommates. Neither of us had any interest in her running around the house in a diaper with roommates around. It was much more convenient to have the privacy of a bedroom and bathroom and refrigerator for her baby food all in one place. Plus, when she wet the bed, after it cooled off, it was nice having another bed ready to jump into, instead of getting up to change the sheets.

Going off your writing here and in other places and the amount of time you spend on these places I have figured out that you are single. Most people on here are single. Even when people meet up on here and become a couple they end up not comming on here after they get together. Shar and Ger used to come on here before they got together. Never see them now.

Understand on the roommates thing but I am still totally baffled as to what you did with this women all night in the hotel. At what time did she stop being a baby and you got down the the real point of why we love pissing, shagging....

If I was willing to pay for a liaison with an AB girl, my first one would have been when I was 18, not when I was 45. Nice try.

No... At 18 you would have been too scared to go to a prostitute and tell her what you are really interested in. I am guessing that you met your 'baby girl' on a chat room, arranged to meet her in the hotel and you paid for everything.

I know this happens because a few years ago I was contacted by a girl looking for a 'DADDY'. When I asked what it involved I got the whole gambit that you obviously got with your latest conquest. She wanted the same think from me that you did with your 'baby' but I wouldn't go near it. Most of these girls like you to shower them with gifts and if they can get away with it they won't even shag you for your gifts....

[LilLucy]

very brave

Hi Tiffany, I think it was very brave of you, asking the lady on the bus for help, I would just have kept standing, but then, I am a chicken